Chetan Bhagat says he has an awesome dream that he shares with 4 per cent of India’s population — the Caring Objective Indians. His latest book, Making India Awesome, a collection of old columns and news essays, is addressed to them, and it''s about making this dream come true.\rThe dream is in the book’s title and, says Bhagat, it can be realised through four awesome things — awesome governance, awesome society, awesome equality, awesome resources.\rTo make India awesome, he writes, we have to give him a fair hearing because his is a voice “that simplifies things and points to a solution” — for everybody, on all issues, for all sides of all the divides.\rNarendra Modi, for example, will have to follow his 17 commandments, which include, “come back to earth, you have not transformed India yet”. He''ll also have to drop Amit Shah because “you standing next to him is like Amitabh Bachchan standing next to Amar Singh”. And he must stop his “monologues on the radio" because "it’s not cool”. \rGandhis have it easy. There are just five things they have to do to make our desh awesome. They “need to own up to mess-ups and mistakes”, and then “gracefully handover power”. Awesome. \rThe 96 per cent Indians who are not both, caring and objective, will have to do many things to make India awesome. We have to face our demons about Godhra and other communal attacks, and we have to accept that “there is no one person who needs to apologise for this. We all need to.”\rBhagat, who says he’s a capitalist, a moderate and a liberal, occupies that often nebulous middle ground — a space where he says objectivity lives with neutrality. That’s where, he believes, cacophony dies and consensus emerges. \rThis is where he feels most comfortable. \rBhagat writes about everything, from the economy to BCCI, from women''s rights to Section 377. He makes a lot of sense sometimes, sometimes very little, and sometimes he contradicts himself.\rBut he’s okay if others diss him or disagree with him. He’s ready to negotiate if you’d just step into his zone. \rOver an almost hour long conversation, he took questions on politics, women, rights, choices, democracy, porn, FTII, beef, and many supplementary questions. \rI nitpicked, I badgered. I was very irritating. \rHe was disarming. He cracked jokes, laughed, was honest, candid. Never once showing his irritation, never once abandoning the middle ground. \rBut he did one thing. In the course of questions over gender rights, his writing on women, he started addressing me as “ma’am”. \rFull transcript of the interview with Chetan Bhagat, the quintessential negotiator.In your book you’ve written that “awesome” is what “I want to turn India into — cool, aspirational, worthy of respect and that essentially inspires awe”. So how exactly do you plan on doing that?\rWell, I can’t do it alone. I need other people to help me. This book is an attempt to do that. This book is an attempt to tell people that we need to work on a lot of issues — issues — and we need to get away from the battles that are happening right now. There is too much polarisation… we became very involved with the elections and it’s like we never got out of the election mode. Parliament is polarised, not functioning. Twitter is polarised, TV debates are polarised. We are not able to discuss major problems of the country because we always have one masala politics of the day and that’s what we keep doing. \rI think our “awesome” nation… I don’t just want it to be a rich country. If it’s a rich country, you can have it like the Arab nations, but with no minority rights, no gender rights and that’s not what we want India to be. So that’s the intention… the intention is to get more people involved, and tell them to not take permanent sides. Take it in elections. But after that, don’t just, you know, blindly support a person or blindly criticise a person. You have to go issue by issue... And people have to change a lot of things. Mentality has to change. What can a politician do if people feel a certain way about women or Muslims? Our politicians can only do so much.But isn’t it top-down usually, these things…\rI think it is top-down and bottom up... we’ve tried top-down. We’ve tried to change the leadership. We’ve got a Modi, we’ve got a Kejriwal. Aa toh gaye sab jo aapko chahiye the. Phir kyon nahi badal raha hai? Phir kyun lad rahe hain hum? ...Abhi bhi lade jaa rahe hain. Saath main kaam karna chahiye. Lekin ab bhi lad rahe hain. So I think, aaaa, you need some bottom-up also and that’s what I’m trying to attempt here. Look at each issue. Dekho ki kya kar sakte hain... A little more positive atmosphere would not hurt, you know. You have millions of followers on Twitter (5.49 million), your books have sold, I don’t know, what’s the total number…\rA lot. It’s fine.…you do TV shows, you write newspaper columns. So I want to know, how seriously and in how much depth do you think of the issues you address, the issues you write about?\rI try to, I mean I try to do a certain amount of research on everything. I think the thought is serious, but the idiom is not serious. The idiom is popular. You know, the expression method is often in a fun story, like 2 States, or a 3 Idiots kind of education system movie, but I try to understand an issue. \rI’m not an expert in every issue and I’m not claiming to be. But I research enough to do an article on it and often times the issues are quite simple, if you think about it. It’s quite commonsensical. So as long as I feel I’ve got a grasp on what the key tenets are, yes. But super-nuanced is not possible. It’s not the nature of my job. You know, I can’t be an expert in and can’t be compared to someone who has worked in that field his entire life. Why I’m asking you this is that youngsters especially, follow you a lot. They take you very seriously. So I’m just trying to understand how seriously should one take your view, because you often give solutions — yeh 5 points, yeh 10 points, yeh 2 points, right? How seriously should one take those?\rTo me those are solutions… those are obviously not hammered out solutions, but that’s the direction we need to go in. To me, just seeing some potential solutions gives hope. It makes people think, “Okay, I should also think like this. Maybe I should not just go out there on Twitter and criticise and feel my job is done. I should criticise, but also say, why don’t you do it this way. Why don’t we try this?” \rIf Twitter was throwing out solutions, even if there were 100 bad ones, there’ll be two good ones. But that thinking is only not there. I’m not saying I have all the solutions... If you look at the larger scheme, the solutions I’m proposing are not important. Maybe some are good, some are bad. But the important thing is that people need to start thinking in that manner — Toh ab karen kya? What can we do? And everybody can’t do. But some brilliant solutions will come. But if we think ki woh pagal hai, woh pagal hai, woh gadha hai, woh gadha hai — you know, that doesn’t do anything. So the aim is to make people more optimistic, more solution oriented. That’s a way of analysis which, some people say, “What is this? It is over simplistic.” I don’t think I will deny that charge. It is over simplified. It’s trying to do that. They are very, very small, consumable pieces… they are not even very long essays… that will be there. But there’s enough for people to get thinking in a positive way.In your book you’ve described three types of Indians — Self-Focused Indifferent Indians, Caring But Aligned Indians and the third category, Caring Objective Indians. And you’ve said that this is the tiny segment that matters and you’ve addressed the book to them.\rTo them and to grow that segment… people who are ignorant, but who care. But caring and then taking a permanent side, you know, going after a messiah is not helping also. Because there’s no one messiah who is going to cure this country. You have to look at every decision, give your view in a fair way — that you feel that guy did it right or wrong. So that section right now is very small. And it’s tempting even for me to cater to one constituency, because that’s a bigger constituency. But then I think, that as a writer it’s my responsibility to try and take people in the right…Which is the bigger constituency?\rThe people… For example, if I start backing Modi fans, it’s a big constituency on Twitter. They’ll all say, ooo… If I wrote a book on, I don’t know (pauses, thinks), Making Hinduism Rise, it would be a bigger, you know, “Haan, yeh hai kitab”. You know, I could, right? Hinduism Is Awesome, or something like that, haha. I’m sure it’ll get a lot of people excited. But that’s not what I want to be. It’s not. It’s okay, we are small now, the number of people who feel today the government was right, tomorrow it is wrong. Some people may call us fence-sitters, opportunists, confused, but if you are not in election mode, that is the way to be. If you are in election mode, then you take a side. But the moment you get out, be neutral and objective. You’ve said this two-three times — polarisation. Who is to blame for this? Is it the Opposition, because you’ve mentioned Parliament, or is it the ruling party… \rAll of us are. The ruling party should have clarified on the controversies much earlier. If they had and they had even accepted a mistake — you don’t have to resign every time. Every mistake is not a resignation. We all make mistakes — it would have diffused the Opposition’s attack. \rThe Opposition would have protested but, maybe, said, we are going to let these five bills pass. Not because we feel you’ve done right, but because we feel it’s important for the country. I think that would have made the Congress look very good. And thirdly, people who feel that it’s okay to be this way — people are okay saying, Kiski galti hai. Congress ki galti hai, BJP ki galti hai. That’s all they are discussing, not worried that kaam hi nahi hua yaar. Kya fayeda hua? Kisi ek ki galti nahin hai. But we feel it’s okay if we are served drama instead of work. And that’s what they do. They serve us drama. You’ve addressed the book to the Caring Objective Indian. My question to you is, why preach to the converted. Because they are, you know, already…\rIt’s addressed to them but it’s also… well, firstly to consolidate that because they feel very lonely on Twitter these days.Really?\rYa, because you better join a mob or you’ll be attacked. So to built that, and maybe that’ll attract more people to that… I mean I feel that way. I feel I am attacked on all sides for giving my views. I feel there are others out there, so trying to combine…There is this group that you sometimes hashtag and tweet about. You diss them and sometimes it’s very funny — #AdarshLiberal. So, Adarsh Liberals. You think they care less about the country than, say, you?\rNo, but Adarsh Liberal is a derogatory term for people who try to project an extraordinarily liberal image. And I’ve not just taken them apart. I have also written about #Bhakts (strident Narendra Modi supporters and right-wing trolls), what they do and who abuse women… Extremism of any kinds is not good… You think liberalism can be extreme?\rOf course it can be extreme. You have to be reasonable. You can be extra… Ya, of course. People confuse, people do minority appeasement in the name of liberalism. People want to be seen in a certain way, people want to be seen as hating a particular religion... Ya, I think so. I think you can confuse liberalism with elitism in India — you want to be part of that elite, you want to show a certain… that you are a… it’s more self-indulgence than truly being liberal. I’ve seen these liberal voices attacking everybody for having an opinion. How can you be liberal and say, “You shut up, you don’t know anything. What the hell are you? You are just a Bhakt.” \rIf you are liberal then you should at least also allow the Bhakt to co-exist. So, right. They are not liberals. They are extreme voices. They are just mobs, of a different colour. So those are the Adarsh. But there are some truly liberal people and there are some truly conservative people and that’s fine. One of the things that you tweeted, in response to Aatish Taseer’s comment (he had said, “India, when left to its own devices, throws up a very different kind of writer, a man such as Chetan Bhagat, who… writes books of such poor literary quality that no one outside India can be expected to read them. India produces a number of such writers…”) — is that the kind of Adarsh Liberal you are talking about?\rYa, where he says that, you know… Aatish Taseer, you know, is a very interesting guy. I mean he almost wrote that whole story about, like, “when left to its own devices, India throws up a different kind of writer, Chetan Bhagat.” As if India shouldn’t be left to its own devices. It’s almost like India can’t choose properly. Or the fact that he says, Chetan is not read in the West. So therefore he’s obviously not a good writer. Which is bizarre.And you immediately tweeted photos of your translations…\rWell, I… Firstly he was wrong. Firstly he was wrong. There are 30-40 translations of my books. That I did. And also, I take offence that he published that in New York Times, deriding my country for no reason. My aim is not to change the West. My aim is to change my country. So I’m writing books in India. I’m very happy, I have a huge readership here. Ab, it’s okay, you know… Why do you have to say that because he’s not read in the West he’s…Because you are so big, so in a sense you also become symbol of some things…\rThat’s okay. But to say that only when the West approves of Indian literature then it’s good literature is bizarre. I think it just reeks of a colonial hangover and I feel sad for people who think in that way. And there are so many holes in that argument. Especially in the entertainment business. Shah Rukh Khan is so popular here. He and Amitabh Bachchan are extraordinarily superstars here, they are not superstars in Hollywood. So they are not good enough? \rNeither are the so-called Indian writers famous, that famous abroad. We think they are very famous and every American is thinking about our Indian writers there. They are not. There’s just one section, ya, okay, fine. \rIt’s silly know, in this day and age to need Western approval for our stories. Maybe for technology, but for stories? \rWell, one of the criticism is that you don’t write “literature” (I meant to say literary books, but my hands rose for air quotes and “literature” came out). It’s popular, it’s pop… \rI write what I write. Ab you can classify, if there is a label… It’s okay, they can say that. But again, I think, it’s an incorrect thing. Literature is not something your college course said… What do we study in literature? Literature is what’s being read at that time. That becomes literature of that time. I’m not writing the classical literature because it’s outdated now. I’m writing the literature of the current times and it’s okay if they feel it’s not... But there are a lot of people… Lot of colleges have my books — in contemporary studies, lot of PhD students I know… But it’s not classical literature, yes. That’s a fact.The Adarsh Liberal, other side walla criticism is that you often don’t go into the specifics of issues. That you pick up an issue but you don’t… \rPlease blame Times of India for it. They give me a 750-word limit. I swear, ask them for a 5,000 word limit and I will go into details. But they don’t. What you see is a… I don’t have that aaaaa the platform to reach everybody and to…Woh toh sab ke liye wordcount same hi hai. \rHaan, toh kaun hai depth wala? (sniggers)Depth ki nahin baat kar rahe. Specifics. Let’s say, if you were, aaaaaa… You are involved with films, you tweet a lot about education, about interference in IIM, etc., but you’ve not written anything about FTII. \rYa, because you know I really am confused about it. I’ll be honest with you. FTII — I don’t know how to approach it. I, I, I’m just genuinely telling you, I don’t know how to approach that a director has come and because he acted in some B-grade movies, he’s not a good director…Chairman.\rChairman or whatever. Poor thing. Hahaha, you know, give him a chance, maybe he’s a really good manager. See, the chairman is not making the movies na? I don’t know. (from somewhere in the recesses of my, I guess pancreas, this jumps out, unsolicited) Pappu Paanwalle ko agar IIM director bana denge toh… \rhahahah I know, I know, I know… But, nobody does C-grade movies by choice na. Bechare ko nahin mili hongi…(and… again)Haan, but Pappu Paanwalle ko toh IIM Ahmedabad ka chairman ya director nahin bana sakte na…\rI think the issue is broader with the BJP. And if I were to comment on it, some of the actions of the BJP na shows some decisions get taken without the correct discussion… Every party needs a leader who is very strong and nobody can say anything. But you also need those people who tell you, “Nahin sir, ye nahi theek lagega. Sir yeh, this doesn’t seem like the smart thing…” \rHow did it happen is a bigger concern to me than the person. Bechara. Woh toh bechara phas gaya abhi… (rolling back into the sofa with uncontrollable laughter) because na woh ban sakta hai, na woh hat sakta hai. \rSo, but, kaise hua? How could they take a decision like that? How could they now arrest those students? How could they… the kids are also of a different kind there haan, they wanted their assignment not to be graded or something. Ya, not right now. 2008 batch ka. \rHaina? 2008 ka assignment they said ki grade mat do.Abhi mat do. \rThere are kids who they are there for 10-10 years. So this is a very complicated issue is what I’m saying. Public opinion is ki maaro isko… Aap toh mota-mota baat karte ho na — toh mota-mota baat kya hai isme?\rMota-mota baat yeh hai ki usko banana chahiye tha ya nahin. Aur, is this the right way to protest, ki bachche strike pe chale gaye. And is this the right way — ki Rahul Gandhi wahan chala gaya. It’s just… It’s a mess. It’s a total mess. I like to comment on issues which are national impact issues. I don’t want to comment on an appointment of one guy. So the national impact issue is that the BJP is having a communication issue I think, because this, and war veterans ko hata diya — that is, for me, exciting. I am not a news channel. I’m not covering FTII. There are many… Keenan-Reuben murders, I remember in Mumbai. I remember Arnab said… Very bad what happened. But I feel like I have only so much bandwidth and I only want to comment on issues which are of national impact. FTII issue is not of national impact to me yet, but it is becoming slowly, (smiles) it’s snowballing into a huge thing... So IIM is your personal interest?\rThey approached me. They called me. The dean/director called me. The IIM bill is about autonomy. If IIM director (laughs)… I don’t know, kisko bana dete… Arindam Chaudhuri (laughs hysterically)… aisa koi, ya pata nahi kisko… Toh you would have tweeted…\rI would have commented on the process of appointing the director. I would have commented on how these things are chosen and it should not be arbitrarily chosen. But comment on personality… But then that is like a sermon… It means that you are a little wary of…\rToh main keh toh raha hoon ki kya pata he’s an amazing manager (hahahaha). Maybe he’s a horrible actor, but maybe he’s a… because usko film thodi-na banani hai wahan pe…\r(I can’t control myself and collapse laughing…) \rKya karna hai, staff selection… You know, what does the chairman do?But Saeed Mirza ke baad kuch toh… \rI know. hahaha It was bizarre. It was just too silly to comment. I found it a silly issue. What is the big issue? The big issue is that these are being thrusted down, na?Ya, ya\rThat’s the big issue.And the issue is that this is the only institute till now which has stood up, in whatever, right or wrong way, but it’s the only one that has stood up…\rYa, ya… But if you are thinking I’m not commenting on FTII because of getting work in Bollywood… there is no link. Bollywood doesn’t care about FTII… You think they care what I say about…But Ranbir Kapoor, Rishi Kapoor, our stars who are known fence-sitters, they have commented. Even Salman Khan! \rhehehahaThey are talking about FTII and you are not talking… \rYa, because that’s when I feel it’s a free for all. Now there is nothing sensible to say. So how would you describe yourself?\rHow would I describe myself? (laughs)Capitalist, patriotic, socialist, lefty, feminist…\rI think I am a capitalist. I’m a moderate, my politics is about capitalism, moderate politics, issue by issue. Ya, my politics is in the book, which is to be somewhat liberal and capitalist. There is nothing ya, in India, of that category — capitalist but liberal.You’ve written this phrase which fascinated me — “super-power fantasies and patriotic porn”. What exactly is “patriotic porn”?\rSee, when… It must be in the context of that article no, woh hota hai na, ki India is great, nationalism, and bina baat ke, bus, aise hi, that. It’s certain things, that India is… Super-power fantasies I get. Yeh patriotic porn kya hai?\rPatriotic porn is these WhatsApps you get, showing you ki how India is so amazing, Hinduism was so great, and, you know… Udan-khatolas…\rHaan! Woh bikta hai. \rIrrational, unjustifiable and just sensational claims to be more than we actually are.And that’s detrimental?\rYa, I think you should look — I’m not saying we can’t make India awesome, but I’m saying we are not awesome yet. You can’t start from this place, that we are so great, and we are Sone ki Chidiya. Where is, where was the Sone ki Chidiya, I want to know. You know, there was no India only at that time. There were like 50 kingdoms, or hundred… 500… \r500 kingdoms. So Sone ki Chidiya kahan se aa gayi? Par thi! Udan-khatole the (cackles)So, one of the things you’ve written is that the average Indian is looking for the same thing — quality of life, a certain amount of hope and security and the freedom to make personal choices… You talk a lot about the freedom to marry, so I was…\rHmmmm Abhi yehi hai. Abhi India mein this is the first step. Gay marriages, living in… Most people in India, I found, especially after 2 States, it’s a huge thing. In most democracies in the West the concept of arranged marriage has gone. We still have it. So I think it’ll have to go. Aap shaadi.com ki ad karte ho aur phir yeh kehte ho?\rWoh toh love arranged by shaadi.com hai na.\rAb shaadi.com and all also… people are choosing. A lot of times it’s not…But you just said arranged marriage will have to go…\rArranged marriage by parents. Parents can say, ki isko dekh lo. “Is-se shaadi karoge tum versus Jaao, iske saath coffee pe baat kar aao aur dekho tum ko achcha lagta hai ke nahin.” It’s very different. Introduced by parents is okay. Introduction marriages will never stop. But to say, ki nahin, tuh hamari biradri mein hi karoge… and the fact that when you do find someone, are your parents okay with it. That’s the thing. You think this is a big issue?\rI found that it’s a huge issue. In terms of personal freedom, it’s the first step. Freedom to choose a lover is not there in India. It’s not there. If you are lucky, then your parents are liberal. If you are lucky, then same community. But normally the diktats of the family are very high... But there is a generation which wants to break out, so I felt… \rUske baad hoga jo baki, more complex issues… Pehle toh yehi ho jaye na.You’ve written a lot about food in the book as well. And you’ve tweeted about Maggi also… But you didn’t write on the beef ban?\rI should have. hahaha Ab kya karen yaar? What all they keep doing?! Porn ban I wrote… Yes.\rPorn ban I wrote, which was harder in a way. To take a stance which is against porn ban was much harder. Beef ban — I was very surprised. But beef ban is not national. Ya, it’s not. But it’s creeping…\rSo then I will. Ya, then I will. I’ve written about Gujarat prohibition also. But isn’t that your state, Maharashtra?\rI don’t eat beef, toh mereko… But I think they’ve made a weird… Beef milta hai Bandra mein, yaar. But you can’t… Desh ki gaye nahin maar sakte, bahar ki maar sakte ho.\r(Everybody in the room bursts into laughter, including Bhagat)\rSachci mein! Foreign cows are okay. You can get imported beef. So Bandra mein you get beef. You get like Australian beef. Frozen laate hain woh. Woh theek hai. Woh hamari Maa nahin hai, woh toh videshi hai na. Hamari Maa sirf Indian passport waali gaye hai. Gaye ka bhi passport hota hai na. \rIt’s so bizarre. \rI also use another criteria, ki iske baare mein likhenge kya. But it’s so bizarre, it feels so bizarre, ki I’m opposing this, it feels like, ki ab yeh bhi karna pad-raha hai. But then someone said, it’s in our Constitution also, to ban beef. Yes. \rKuch hai. Toh woh bhi bada complicated hogaya. Phir kya karen ab…Constitution mein toh bahut kuch hai…\rHaan, bahut kuch hai. All Indians are brothers and sisters bhi hai… (chuckles)\rBeef Ban. My god, beef ban. I think basically, if, today you want to be seen as a really big risk taker, you should be holding a beef burger, watching porn and cooking Maggi. That’s like, puts you…That’s the selfie you are going to post?\rThat’s not a bad selfie to post, no? hahaha(Recovering) You’ve written about prohibition…\rI have written about Gujarat state, jo wahan…but then you’ve written, in that piece, “I don’t endorse drinking.”\rBecause that’s what people think. People think ki Chetanji keh rahe hain ki daru piyo. \r(I think I splattered out some spit with my burst of laughter)\rKehte hain log. Ab Chetan keh rahe hain ki porn dekho. What? (the girls in the room, his publishers, are giggling uncontrollably, holding their mouths)\rHai, hamare desh mein thinking aisi hai, main kya karoon. Kehna padta hai. Obvious hai, I know for someone like you, who does this, journalism, for a living, it’s painstakingly obvious, ki of course he’s not talking about that. But people think ki aapne bola prohibition hata do (speaking in a naughty, conspiratorial tone) matlab ki aap toh daru peena chahte ho... \rIt’s like a girl saying, “Oh you are pro-abortion. So you like sex haan? That’s why you want abortion.” It is stupid. It’s bizarre. But that’s how it is... Look at Twitter. Everyday four tweets come — the writer who loves porn. They are all watching porn by the way, jo likh rahe hain, main shayad utni na bhi dekh raha hoon. Par phir bhi unko hai ki — because it’s seen like that… \rAnd I am not endorsing alcohol. I am not saying drink. I am not saying that. You shouldn’t. But if you want to, you can.You drink?\rYa, I drink. I’m not denying that. I do drink. You’ve written that actually — that “I drink in moderation.”\rYa, I did that. (Laughs and adds) I didn’t write that about porn. Ki I watch porn in moderation (aaaahahaha)But do you?\rThere is no guy who doesn’t watch. So anybody who says he doesn’t watch is absolutely lying. So if you had said you don’t watch, you’d be lying…\rI think they’ll reach their conclusion. \rBut you watch a lot more when you are in college. Then, tsk, all fun things end… hahahaheheOn porn ban you’ve written, “a significant number of women watch porn too… (I haven’t finished)\rYa, that’s not me. It’s studies. And I am not endorsing that women should watch… hahaha it’s just…But then you’ve added, in the same sentence, “though women don’t get as excited about it as say a 50% sale on their favourite handbag”.\rThat’s another article, actually. That’s an article on women. That’s not the article on porn ban. Right. But it’s in the same sentence.\rIt’s a joke yaar.But isn’t this chalaki — ki keh bhi diya aur phir fatafat withdraw bhi par liya.\rNahin, yeh porn ke article mein nahin likha tha. That is an article on working women.(I can’t recall) But whatever. It’s… \rI was trying to say, I guess, it’s not such a big deal for women. Porn — it’s a male thing… I don’t think you’ll find women protesting if porn is taken away from them, but men will. It’s a huge thing. Engineering colleges will stop, FTII, sare band ho jayenge… So you think handbags are more important to women…\rIt was a joke yaar... You know, there was this irreverence in me, in my earlier books, in my earlier writings, which is becoming increasingly hard to keep because “Aise kaise likh diya... Kya keh rahe ho? Aise kyon keh rahe ho? How can you stereotype like this…”But why not stand by it…\rBecause it’s nothing to stand by. It’s just a joke. I mean how can I... I have not done a study ki they prefer porn or a 50 per cent discount. But ya, I mean, I stand by it. But you know, it’s a tricky topic — porn — to write about. So I was trying to …\rBecause it’s nothing to stand by. It’s just a joke. I mean how can I... I have not done a study ki they prefer porn or a 50 per cent discount. But ya, I mean, I stand by it. But you know, it’s a tricky topic — porn — to write about. So I was trying to